Thanks for
your response Dan
Sorry
to hear that your experience with local Police Services has been negative. We
have had a very good working relationship with Chief Dennis Poole and his staff
– particularly the Sergeant in charge of traffic matters, Mike Domony.
Mike is actively involved with Public Health and the ACSC in developing an education
program to support the shift to cycling as transportation.
We’ve
had several meetings with these Police Services personnel on both enforcement
and educational issues. If CKCycling Community were
to put together a list of incidents and suggested improvements we could
together take it to Police Services. I’m sure we’d get a good
hearing.
What
do you think of that idea?
We
don’t need to debate whether education or racks are more important. Both
can be done at the same time along with bike lanes and enforcement issues. Work
is underway on all of these elements right now in Chatham-Kent. Communities
throughout
I certainly agree with you that most people won’t cycle if they
don’t feel safe doing it. Many decades of experience by professionals working on this
have led to the belief that we need what is called “the four Es”: Engineering
(infrastructure), Education, Encouragement, and Enforcement.
Regards
John Sigurjonsson
Member Services
Cycle Chatham-Kent
519-352-0883
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From: ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca
[mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca] On
Behalf Of Daniel Brousseau
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010
3:32 PM
To: Chatham-Kent Commmunity
Cycling Group
Subject: Re: [CKcycle] pull up
display
John,
Sorry to say but I don't agree with all your statements...
As stated in the meeting where Matt, James and I where... a Bike Rack is the
least of the riders concerns. It's all about education as with no education
they won't come out.
The police department here in Chatham is just a joke in their dealing with the
rules of the road with cyclists and cars...
The LAWS are there already in place to enforce SAFE Cycling but they just opt
to ignore them and only enforce them at their discretion.
Also note that our Sunday/Wednesday rides do not consist of just starting and
leaving from one location... we do stop at various locations and sometimes
leave our bikes leaning against a wall. This does not stop us cause there is no
bike racks.
So again, Bike Racks & Bike Lanes/Paths will not get more people out if
they feel unsafe to even be on the road/sidewalk(Kids Only) so they can get to
them. Don't forget there are MANY EMPTY Bike Racks here in the Chatham area. So
putting more in won't help on getting more cyclists out.
Also this discussion is about the poster in it self and where they should be
placed. This is where the Cyclist of this group come into play as you would be
surprised how many also cycle as a mode of transportation but also drive a
vehicle. So we know both side of the coin on this topic.
I know John you have this great envision of what Chatham-Kent should turn into
but it won't happen over night. That is why Education is your most important
factor in this planing... Mostly when your local police force is just a farce
on enforcement of the Moving Violations.
When I got pulled over on Grand Ave early summer for "Going to fast" then
changed to "Taking to much room on the road". I was hopping he would
try and fine me... this way it would of been a foot in the door to show them
local officers that the law is the law and can't just apply it at their
discretion.
Yes it can take as much time to fine a cyclist just as a automotive driver...
but still the rules are the same for both.
Same Roads, Same Rules, Same Rights
John Sigurjonsson wrote:
When
considering what should be done to promote cycling in Chatham-Kent be aware
that the primary community benefit from Active Transportation comes from
replacing motorized trips with people-powered trips. So the ACSC needs to
create conditions that attract cyclists ranging from the ten year old commuting
to school (instead of being Chauffeured by mom) to granny with her shopping
tricycle. These cyclists are very different from the average member of ckcycle.
For example:
Their cycle routes are urban, not the rural roaming ckcycle does on Tuesday and
Wednesday evenings and Sunday mornings..
The purpose of their trip is utilitarian – get from A to B to work, shop,
play, etc.. They enjoy the ride but the primary purpose of the ride isn’t
recreational. So they want direct routes to their destination without having to
make detours to find low-traffic routes.
They are not comfortable in traffic. They need bike lanes or paths separated
from motor vehicles. We’re trying to get those built.
They need end-of-trip facilities (e.g. secure bike racks). It might be nice if
your Sunday breakfast stop had decent secure racks, but otherwise it’s
probably not an issue for your recreational rides that basically begin and end
at home. For utilitarian riders who are going to park the bike where they work,
shop, play tennis, attend classes etc secure parking is an issue.
If
these folks in
Regards
John
Sigurjonsson
Member Services
Cycle Chatham-Kent
519-352-0883
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From: ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca [mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca]
On Behalf Of Josette deBrouwer
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:27
PM
To: Chatham-Kent Commmunity
Cycling Group
Subject: Re: [CKcycle] pull up
display
They should be visible at all
municipal info centres and other municipal properties, especially arenas. Also,
how about the drivers licence bureau (whatever that is called) and car
dealerships? Like Geoff, I had three incidents on one ride along hwy 3 west of
Blenheim on Sunday. Not fun.
On 10-07-26 4:12 PM, "James Lively" <jalively@cogeco.ca> wrote:
As we were riding
along on Sunday, I was asked about the bike signs on the roads. Here’s
the first information going out to the public. Let me know what you think as
this is a first go, and I’ll take your comments back to the Active
Communities Committee.
Thanks
James.
Hello everyone. This pull up display (x2) will be placed in the
Wallaceburg and Chatham Libraries for the month of August. (a bit too
large for the other Libraries), then they can be relocated elsewhere as needed.
There will also be a similar, accompanying poster on the wall –
with the informational tear off sheets. Please advise if anything needs
to be changed. We wanted to keep it light(meaning not too many words)
– focused on the Share the Road and the two different road signs.
It is intended for an adult audience.
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