7:43 p.m.
Hi advisors. If you are a CIRA member, you should have received a notice
that the election period is now open -- one week only. I did make the
final candidate list on the members slate, so you can choose to vote for
me, if you wish.
Marita
12:54 a.m.
Not only did Marita make the candidate list, she was the candidate with the largest number
of endorsements!
https://www.cira.ca/en/board-and-governance/board-election/endorsement-re...
On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 07:43:49PM -0400, Marita Moll wrote:
Hi advisors. If you are a CIRA member, you should have received a
notice that
the election period is now open -- one week only. I did make the final
candidate list on the members slate, so you can choose to vote for me, if you
wish.
Marita
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9:39 a.m.
New subject: cira elections unsolicited e-mail
Wow, Ian!! I did not even know that. Thank you.
Unfortunately, when you are up against someone who uses the member list
to solicit votes, it completely skews the playing field. And so, sadly,
I got an unsolicited message from Matthew Gamble asking for my vote to
give him a 3rd term. Anyone here who is a CIRA member probably got one
too. Unless you know Mr. Gamble through your profession or social
circles, it is completely legal but still in contravention of the spirit
of these elections as per the following item on the CIRA elections
information page:
"While CIRA is obligated by law to provide the list, we take the privacy
of member information seriously. CIRA strongly encourages members who
receive the list to only contact those members who are part of their
professional and/or social circle and to refrain from sending
unsolicited mass emails to respect members’ privacy. CIRA also requires
that any email sent to members not include tracking links and that
members’ information remain in Canada."
I have already forwarded my copy of the mailing to elections(a)cira.ca
along with paragraph from the elections page. I encourage anyone here
who feels so inclined and has no contacts with Mr. Gamble to also
contact elections(a)cira.ca objecting to the practice. Even if you have
already deleted that e-mail, they already have a copy from me. The more
people who contact them, the better. Most of the current "encouragement"
paragraph only exists as I have fought back each time asking the board
to set some conditions when I received information from many of you
about this practice and issues like tracking links included in the
message. At the end of this, whoever wins, I will, once again be
contacting the board about how unfair this is to all candidates who put
themselves forward on the member slate and asking them to find a better
way to deal with this problem.
Sorry for the long e-mail and thanks for all your support.
Marita
On 2025-09-25 12:54 a.m., Ian! D. Allen wrote:
Not only did Marita make the candidate list, she was the candidate
with the largest number of endorsements!
https://www.cira.ca/en/board-and-governance/board-election/endorsement-re...
On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 07:43:49PM -0400, Marita Moll wrote:
> Hi advisors. If you are a CIRA member, you should have received a notice that
> the election period is now open -- one week only. I did make the final
> candidate list on the members slate, so you can choose to vote for me, if you
> wish.
> Marita
1:56 p.m.
New subject: [Advisors] cira elections unsolicited e-mail
This was my response to the spam:
Mathew,
You don't know me and I don't know you.
I can only assume that you have obtained my email address through a list
you have obtained of CIRA members. I consider your use of this list
unethical as I have not received similar such mail from other candidates,
as well as a likely violation of CASL since I have not given consent to you
to receive this kind of solicitation.
I am CCing this response to elections(a)cira.ca and trust they will consider
the seriousness of this breach of trust.
On Thu, Sep 25, 2025 at 9:40 AM Marita Moll <mmoll(a)ca.inter.net> wrote:
Wow, Ian!! I did not even know that. Thank you.
Unfortunately, when you are up against someone who uses the member list to
solicit votes, it completely skews the playing field. And so, sadly, I got
an unsolicited message from Matthew Gamble asking for my vote to give him a
3rd term. Anyone here who is a CIRA member probably got one too. Unless you
know Mr. Gamble through your profession or social circles, it is completely
legal but still in contravention of the spirit of these elections as per
the following item on the CIRA elections information page:
"While CIRA is obligated by law to provide the list, we take the privacy
of member information seriously. CIRA strongly encourages members who
receive the list to only contact those members who are part of their
professional and/or social circle and to refrain from sending unsolicited
mass emails to respect members’ privacy. CIRA also requires that any email
sent to members not include tracking links and that members’ information
remain in Canada."
I have already forwarded my copy of the mailing to elections(a)cira.ca
along with paragraph from the elections page. I encourage anyone here who
feels so inclined and has no contacts with Mr. Gamble to also contact
elections(a)cira.ca objecting to the practice. Even if you have already
deleted that e-mail, they already have a copy from me. The more people who
contact them, the better. Most of the current "encouragement" paragraph
only exists as I have fought back each time asking the board to set some
conditions when I received information from many of you about this practice
and issues like tracking links included in the message. At the end of this,
whoever wins, I will, once again be contacting the board about how unfair
this is to all candidates who put themselves forward on the member slate
and asking them to find a better way to deal with this problem.
Sorry for the long e-mail and thanks for all your support.
Marita
On 2025-09-25 12:54 a.m., Ian! D. Allen wrote:
Not only did Marita make the candidate list, she was the candidate with the largest
number of endorsements!
https://www.cira.ca/en/board-and-governance/board-election/endorsement-re...
On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 07:43:49PM -0400, Marita Moll wrote:
Hi advisors. If you are a CIRA member, you should have received a notice that
the election period is now open -- one week only. I did make the final
candidate list on the members slate, so you can choose to vote for me, if you
wish.
Marita
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2:07 p.m.
New subject: [Advisors] Re: cira elections unsolicited e-mail
Beautiful!!! Well done, Evan.
Marita
On 2025-09-25 1:56 p.m., Evan Leibovitch wrote:
This was my response to the spam:
Mathew,
You don't know me and I don't know you.
I can only assume that you have obtained my email address through a
list you have obtained of CIRA members. I consider your use of this
list unethical as I have not received similar such mail from other
candidates, as well as a likely violation of CASL since I have not
given consent to you to receive this kind of solicitation.
I am CCing this response to elections(a)cira.ca
<mailto:elections@cira.ca> and trust they will consider the
seriousness of this breach of trust.
On Thu, Sep 25, 2025 at 9:40 AM Marita Moll <mmoll(a)ca.inter.net
<mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net>> wrote:
Wow, Ian!! I did not even know that. Thank you.
Unfortunately, when you are up against someone who uses the member
list to solicit votes, it completely skews the playing field. And
so, sadly, I got an unsolicited message from Matthew Gamble asking
for my vote to give him a 3rd term. Anyone here who is a CIRA
member probably got one too. Unless you know Mr. Gamble through
your profession or social circles, it is completely legal but
still in contravention of the spirit of these elections as per the
following item on the CIRA elections information page:
"While CIRA is obligated by law to provide the list, we take the
privacy of member information seriously. CIRA strongly encourages
members who receive the list to only contact those members who are
part of their professional and/or social circle and to refrain
from sending unsolicited mass emails to respect members’ privacy.
CIRA also requires that any email sent to members not include
tracking links and that members’ information remain in Canada."
I have already forwarded my copy of the mailing to
elections(a)cira.ca <mailto:elections@cira.ca> along with paragraph
from the elections page. I encourage anyone here who feels so
inclined and has no contacts with Mr. Gamble to also contact
elections(a)cira.ca <mailto:elections@cira.ca> objecting to the
practice. Even if you have already deleted that e-mail, they
already have a copy from me. The more people who contact them, the
better. Most of the current "encouragement" paragraph only exists
as I have fought back each time asking the board to set some
conditions when I received information from many of you about this
practice and issues like tracking links included in the message.
At the end of this, whoever wins, I will, once again be contacting
the board about how unfair this is to all candidates who put
themselves forward on the member slate and asking them to find a
better way to deal with this problem.
Sorry for the long e-mail and thanks for all your support.
Marita
On 2025-09-25 12:54 a.m., Ian! D. Allen wrote:
> Not only did Marita make the candidate list, she was the candidate with the
largest number of endorsements!
>
> https://www.cira.ca/en/board-and-governance/board-election/endorsement-re...
<https://www.cira.ca/en/board-and-governance/board-election/endorsement-re...
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 07:43:49PM -0400, Marita Moll wrote:
>> Hi advisors. If you are a CIRA member, you should have received a notice
that
>> the election period is now open -- one week only. I did make the final
>> candidate list on the members slate, so you can choose to vote for me, if
you
>> wish.
>> Marita
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6:13 p.m.
New subject: [Advisors] Re: cira elections unsolicited e-mail
Whew. There's actually been something of an exchange going on.
Matthew is avoiding accountability, claiming that.
- He and I are in the same professional circle because we were both
briefly on an ISOC Canada mailing list six years ago.
- He asserts what he did was ethical because he's not prohibited in
doing what he did (even though the guidelines "strongly encourage"
candidates from doing what he did).
- He's not breaking CASL because his was not commercial solicitation
(that's probably true), though he remains quite irritated by my continued
use of the term "spam" to refer to what he did.
He may continue to respond. I won't. The exchange in its current state is
all in the CIRA election mailbox; if what's there isn't enough to cause any
action, more of the same won't help.
- Evan
On Thu, Sep 25, 2025 at 2:08 PM Marita Moll <mmoll(a)ca.inter.net> wrote:
Beautiful!!! Well done, Evan.
Marita
On 2025-09-25 1:56 p.m., Evan Leibovitch wrote:
This was my response to the spam:
Mathew,
You don't know me and I don't know you.
I can only assume that you have obtained my email address through a list
you have obtained of CIRA members. I consider your use of this list
unethical as I have not received similar such mail from other candidates,
as well as a likely violation of CASL since I have not given consent to you
to receive this kind of solicitation.
I am CCing this response to elections(a)cira.ca and trust they will
consider the seriousness of this breach of trust.
On Thu, Sep 25, 2025 at 9:40 AM Marita Moll <mmoll(a)ca.inter.net> wrote:
> Wow, Ian!! I did not even know that. Thank you.
>
> Unfortunately, when you are up against someone who uses the member list
> to solicit votes, it completely skews the playing field. And so, sadly, I
> got an unsolicited message from Matthew Gamble asking for my vote to give
> him a 3rd term. Anyone here who is a CIRA member probably got one too.
> Unless you know Mr. Gamble through your profession or social circles, it is
> completely legal but still in contravention of the spirit of these
> elections as per the following item on the CIRA elections information page:
>
> "While CIRA is obligated by law to provide the list, we take the privacy
> of member information seriously. CIRA strongly encourages members who
> receive the list to only contact those members who are part of their
> professional and/or social circle and to refrain from sending unsolicited
> mass emails to respect members’ privacy. CIRA also requires that any email
> sent to members not include tracking links and that members’ information
> remain in Canada."
>
> I have already forwarded my copy of the mailing to elections(a)cira.ca
> along with paragraph from the elections page. I encourage anyone here who
> feels so inclined and has no contacts with Mr. Gamble to also contact
> elections(a)cira.ca objecting to the practice. Even if you have already
> deleted that e-mail, they already have a copy from me. The more people who
> contact them, the better. Most of the current "encouragement" paragraph
> only exists as I have fought back each time asking the board to set some
> conditions when I received information from many of you about this practice
> and issues like tracking links included in the message. At the end of this,
> whoever wins, I will, once again be contacting the board about how unfair
> this is to all candidates who put themselves forward on the member slate
> and asking them to find a better way to deal with this problem.
>
> Sorry for the long e-mail and thanks for all your support.
>
> Marita
>
>
> On 2025-09-25 12:54 a.m., Ian! D. Allen wrote:
>
> Not only did Marita make the candidate list, she was the candidate with the largest
number of endorsements!
> https://www.cira.ca/en/board-and-governance/board-election/endorsement-re...
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 07:43:49PM -0400, Marita Moll wrote:
>
> Hi advisors. If you are a CIRA member, you should have received a notice that
> the election period is now open -- one week only. I did make the final
> candidate list on the members slate, so you can choose to vote for me, if you
> wish.
> Marita
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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6:59 p.m.
New subject: CIRA elections -- more on unsolicited e-mails
Wow, totally brilliant. Surprising that he would respond -- and clearly
defensive. It may not cause actions on CIRA's part, but it will raise
concerns. All of this activity will be reported to the board. They don't
like it when their reputation gets a bit tarnished. And whoever is
sitting around the board table in November will be addressing this, one
way or another. If it is not me, and it probably won't be, I will be
writing another letter to the board, perhaps in conjunction with another
one of the candidates.
Thanks for all this Evan.
Marita
On 2025-09-25 6:13 p.m., Evan Leibovitch wrote:
Whew. There's actually been something of an exchange going on.
Matthew is avoiding accountability, claiming that.
* He and I are in the same professional circle because we were both
briefly on an ISOC Canada mailing list six years ago.
* He asserts what he did was ethical because he's not prohibited in
doing what he did (even though the guidelines "strongly encourage"
candidates from doing what he did).
* He's not breaking CASL because his was not commercial solicitation
(that's probably true), though he remains quite irritated by my
continued use of the term "spam" to refer to what he did.
He may continue to respond. I won't. The exchange in its current state
is all in the CIRA election mailbox; if what's there isn't enough to
cause any action, more of the same won't help.
- Evan
On Thu, Sep 25, 2025 at 2:08 PM Marita Moll <mmoll(a)ca.inter.net
<mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net>> wrote:
Beautiful!!! Well done, Evan.
Marita
On 2025-09-25 1:56 p.m., Evan Leibovitch wrote:
> This was my response to the spam:
>
> Mathew,
>
> You don't know me and I don't know you.
>
> I can only assume that you have obtained my email address
> through a list you have obtained of CIRA members. I consider your
> use of this list unethical as I have not received similar such
> mail from other candidates, as well as a likely violation of CASL
> since I have not given consent to you to receive this kind of
> solicitation.
>
> I am CCing this response to elections(a)cira.ca
> <mailto:elections@cira.ca> and trust they will consider the
> seriousness of this breach of trust.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2025 at 9:40 AM Marita Moll <mmoll(a)ca.inter.net
> <mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net>> wrote:
>
> Wow, Ian!! I did not even know that. Thank you.
>
> Unfortunately, when you are up against someone who uses the
> member list to solicit votes, it completely skews the playing
> field. And so, sadly, I got an unsolicited message from
> Matthew Gamble asking for my vote to give him a 3rd term.
> Anyone here who is a CIRA member probably got one too. Unless
> you know Mr. Gamble through your profession or social
> circles, it is completely legal but still in contravention of
> the spirit of these elections as per the following item on
> the CIRA elections information page:
>
> "While CIRA is obligated by law to provide the list, we take
> the privacy of member information seriously. CIRA strongly
> encourages members who receive the list to only contact those
> members who are part of their professional and/or social
> circle and to refrain from sending unsolicited mass emails to
> respect members’ privacy. CIRA also requires that any email
> sent to members not include tracking links and that members’
> information remain in Canada."
>
> I have already forwarded my copy of the mailing to
> elections(a)cira.ca <mailto:elections@cira.ca> along with
> paragraph from the elections page. I encourage anyone here
> who feels so inclined and has no contacts with Mr. Gamble to
> also contact elections(a)cira.ca <mailto:elections@cira.ca>
> objecting to the practice. Even if you have already deleted
> that e-mail, they already have a copy from me. The more
> people who contact them, the better. Most of the current
> "encouragement" paragraph only exists as I have fought back
> each time asking the board to set some conditions when I
> received information from many of you about this practice and
> issues like tracking links included in the message. At the
> end of this, whoever wins, I will, once again be contacting
> the board about how unfair this is to all candidates who put
> themselves forward on the member slate and asking them to
> find a better way to deal with this problem.
>
> Sorry for the long e-mail and thanks for all your support.
>
> Marita
>
>
> On 2025-09-25 12:54 a.m., Ian! D. Allen wrote:
>> Not only did Marita make the candidate list, she was the candidate with
the largest number of endorsements!
>>
>>
https://www.cira.ca/en/board-and-governance/board-election/endorsement-re...
<https://www.cira.ca/en/board-and-governance/board-election/endorsement-re...
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 07:43:49PM -0400, Marita Moll wrote:
>>> Hi advisors. If you are a CIRA member, you should have received a
notice that
>>> the election period is now open -- one week only. I did make the
final
>>> candidate list on the members slate, so you can choose to vote for
me, if you
>>> wish.
>>> Marita
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3:04 a.m.
New subject: cira elections unsolicited e-mail
My version:
To: elections(a)cira.ca
Cc: Matthew Gamble <mgamble(a)mgamble.ca>
Subject: unsolicited CIRA election email from Matthew Gamble
Hello CIRA Elections -
I recently received an unsolicited mass spam email containing USA tracking links from
board candidate Matthew Gamble.
The CIRA election page says clearly that this must not happen:
"CIRA strongly encourages members who receive the list to only contact those members
who are part of their professional and/or social circle and to refrain from sending
unsolicited mass emails to respect members’ privacy. CIRA also requires that any email
sent to members not include tracking links and that members’ information remain in
Canada."
1. I do not know Matthew Gamble. This is an unsolicited mass spam email.
2. The message contains tracking links via his personal domain mgamble.ca that is hosted
outside Canada. CIRA says no tracking, and no information outside Canada.
3. A reply to the spam email sends my name and email address outside Canada into
Google.com via the MX record for his personal domain "mgamble.ca"
This CIRA board member and candidate has broken all these CIRA rules to spam votes for
re-election.
What are the consequences?
[...51 lines of spam message cut here...]
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11:24 a.m.
New subject: cira elections unsolicited e-mail
This is great, Ian. I will carefully share some of this info, without
any identification to you, as we move forward. The routing info is
especially controversial right now -- and might be a route to shut down
this practice. CIRA can't forbid the practice but I wonder if they could
forbid and foreign routing of such messages.
Marita
On 2025-09-26 3:04 a.m., Ian! D. Allen wrote:
My version:
To: elections(a)cira.ca
Cc: Matthew Gamble <mgamble(a)mgamble.ca>
Subject: unsolicited CIRA election email from Matthew Gamble
Hello CIRA Elections -
I recently received an unsolicited mass spam email containing USA tracking links from
board candidate Matthew Gamble.
The CIRA election page says clearly that this must not happen:
"CIRA strongly encourages members who receive the list to only contact those members
who are part of their professional and/or social circle and to refrain from sending
unsolicited mass emails to respect members’ privacy. CIRA also requires that any email
sent to members not include tracking links and that members’ information remain in
Canada."
1. I do not know Matthew Gamble. This is an unsolicited mass spam email.
2. The message contains tracking links via his personal domain mgamble.ca that is hosted
outside Canada. CIRA says no tracking, and no information outside Canada.
3. A reply to the spam email sends my name and email address outside Canada into
Google.com via the MX record for his personal domain "mgamble.ca"
This CIRA board member and candidate has broken all these CIRA rules to spam votes for
re-election.
What are the consequences?
[...51 lines of spam message cut here...]
- 30 -
1:50 a.m.
New subject: [Advisors] CIRA elections now on
Done.
Good luck!
On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 7:44 PM Marita Moll <mmoll(a)ca.inter.net> wrote:
Hi advisors. If you are a CIRA member, you should have received a
notice
that the election period is now open -- one week only. I did make the final
candidate list on the members slate, so you can choose to vote for me, if
you wish.
Marita
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