Re: [CKcycle] CKcycle Digest, Vol 14, Issue 53

From: ckcycle-request(a)lists.ncf.ca Subject: CKcycle Digest, Vol 14, Issue 53 To: ckcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:03:34 -0400 Send CKcycle mailing list submissions to ckcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.ncf.ca/mailman/listinfo/ckcycle or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ckcycle-request(a)lists.ncf.ca You can reach the person managing the list at ckcycle-owner(a)lists.ncf.ca When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CKcycle digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: CKcycle Digest, Vol 14, Issue 52 (Tony Reed) 2. Re: CKcycle Digest, Vol 14, Issue 52 (Ann McKenzie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:24:31 -0400 From: "Tony Reed" <tonyreedrealtor(a)gmail.com&gt; Subject: Re: [CKcycle] CKcycle Digest, Vol 14, Issue 52 To: <ckcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca&gt; Message-ID: <BCAAEE6C30C34C4AB8E8BA30D12CD29D@tonyreed> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I believe that the rider that was almost lost last week was due to a pot hole in the road. I don't think it was because of a sprint. Lots of discussion and opinions. Why don't you meet 15 minutes earlier than the ride and air your opinions and come to a mutual understanding. If you want to ride fast or ride slow, the decision is totally yours to make. Pick the pace your comfortable with and own it. Everyone has their own choice of what they would like to do. Tony Reed Coldwell Banker Excel Realty Services Ltd 519-355-8032 -----Original Message----- From: ckcycle-bounces(a)lists.ncf.ca [mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca] On Behalf Of ckcycle-request(a)lists.ncf.ca Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:00 PM To: ckcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca Subject: CKcycle Digest, Vol 14, Issue 52 Send CKcycle mailing list submissions to ckcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.ncf.ca/mailman/listinfo/ckcycle or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ckcycle-request(a)lists.ncf.ca You can reach the person managing the list at ckcycle-owner(a)lists.ncf.ca When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CKcycle digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Intermediate Cycling Night (Rand MacIntosh) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:59:35 -0400 From: "Rand MacIntosh" <rmacintosh(a)campbell.toyota.ca&gt; Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night To: "'Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group'" <ckcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca&gt; Message-ID: <02BFE2533BEC424F9B355326A0067378@user18a9a2a318> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" we had 2 new riders last week and almost lost one due to the sprints. we did do two sprints on the way to prairie siding bridge. with the comments made we adjusted the pace to accommodate our new riders. this doesn't mean we are not going to do sprints, just discuss the purpose and goals. maybe having better communication to start the ride next time we won't leave anyone with the feeling of not fitting in. knowing who will be riding at the slower pace we can try to explain our goals and establish the basics so they will feel comfortable. it wasn't long ago that i found 21 a comfortable pace. so i remember how it felt to hold the group back. as a result i didn't ride as often last year. i thank everyone for helping me to improve this year. i think the group dynamics is what makes the rides so enjoyable. it showed in the grand bend ride. we worked together to help each other making the ride more enjoyable for all. with the nights getting shorter, it is harder for us to travel the same route. getting back safely is a priority for us. as the rides get shorter there will be less chance for those dropped to join in with the later group. we will have challenges with 2 or 3 levels of riders. trying to find a happy median for the benefit of the group will require us to work together. hope i didn't ramble too much, just some thoughts in between customers.. :) have a great day all! Rand MacIntosh 519-352-4740 1-866-739-2237 cell 519-355-5074 rmacintosh(a)campbell.toyota.ca Mon, Wed, Fri 9-5, Tues, Thurs till 7, please call for Saturday schedule -----Original Message----- From: ckcycle-bounces(a)lists.ncf.ca [mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca] On Behalf Of Geoff Clement Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:47 AM To: Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night Here's my two cents worth. I too feel for the recreational riders that may feel they are not a part of the "group" as they either do not wish to ride flat out or they currently lack the ability to ride longer and faster. Some do not have road bikes and nor can they afford a $3K bike, BUT encouragement is what they need. Perhaps we, the intermediate riders, should offer to take turns to ride with an encourage the newer riders. Yes, on that night, we won't get a 'work out' as usual. but I'm sure the newer and slower riders would appreciate the gesture. Having said that, I don't seem to read comments by the recreational group. THEIR input is what we need to see. Are they even on the mailing list ? More comments? Geoff. ----- Original Message ----- From: James <mailto:jalively@cogeco.ca> Lively To: 'Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling <mailto:ckcycle@lists.ncf.ca> Group' Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night My thoughts too, Dan! And don't forget many recreational riders don't necessarily want to go faster or further, although over time these will naturally occur. They just want to go for a leisurely group ride. >From a personal point of view, when school restarts in Sept, Weds nights become a "three places at once" issue for me. Having another ride night, regardless of speed (Intermediate or recreational) would be great. James From: ckcycle-bounces(a)lists.ncf.ca [mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca] On Behalf Of BikerDude Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:57 AM To: Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night nope... this is currently bwing done on Wednesday nights... But in my eyea we are letting the other recreational riders behind as we are not waiting for them. :-( So now people need to choose between both on the Wednesday ride... We must not forget our roots as to where most were at just 1 year and a half ago.. pretty much at the same level as our newer riders. I personally feel this Intermediate Cycling Night should be held on another open night to avoid splitting the groups... As it can happen that we will leave a slower rider behind on his own due there is no one to ride with them defeating the Wednesday Ride purpose. Also the Intermediate Group can do greater distances then the recreational riders due to speed difference. So once we pass the mark where the other group changes directions there is no possibilities falling back. I like seeing wanting to get better and faster but not at the expense of loosing riders. Waiting SUX but you know what.. we are all out enjoying the same sport. Matt at the start of the season we had touched this topic on adding another night... was the general consensus for a Thursday or Friday Add On? Would this work for most on this list... just wondering. Dan On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:38 AM, <randy.perdu(a)bell.ca&gt; wrote: I,m just catching up on my mail from the week I was off.Is there now a ride on Tuesday nite from Rona????? _____ From: ckcycle-bounces(a)lists.ncf.ca [mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca] On Behalf Of Patty Crofts Sent: August 12, 2010 12:42 PM To: C-K Cycle group Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night I really like this idea Hazel....thanks for making this suggestion. _____ From: HMoore(a)uniongas.com To: ckcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 08:33:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night We could split the Wed group into 2 - that way if someone wanted to try the faster ride and was dropped, they could fall back to the other group. From: ckcycle-bounces(a)lists.ncf.ca [mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca] On Behalf Of Jennifer Johnston Sent: August 9, 2010 8:26 AM To: Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group Cc: Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night Perhaps a Monday or Thursday evening would be better. It wouldn't disrupt the tuesday group. Sent from my iPhone On 2010-08-09, at 7:53 AM, Ann McKenzie <sydkneeca(a)yahoo.ca&gt; wrote: Hi All: Several of us have been discussing the need for an intermediate riding group. A time where a slightly more experienced rider can practise group riding skills and challenge their abilities just a little further. I'd like to get the ball rolling on this if people are interested. So... What do you think of this... Tuesday Night 6:30 Meeting Place Rona ( this way we can head out of town without worrying about traffic so much) Average Speed +-30K to start Skill to be worked on: Keeping our lines tight, cycling through the group, increasing speed and endurance I'd like to invite a couple of the Regular Tuesday night people out as well in hopes that we can learn form your experience. I heard some great things about how a couple of the guys from the Tuesday night group helped bring the cycling group together on Sunday as a working team. (Thanks). Minus the accident I heard that the ride was very unified and enjoyable. We would be grateful for any mentor ship that you would be will to provide. I'm sorry but I don't know who it was that fell but I'm hoping you are doing ok. Let us know if you need anything. Anyway....if interested....I'd like to start tomorrow night :) Let me know if you are in. And please share any other ideas you may have. 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URL: <http://lists.ncf.ca/pipermail/ckcycle/attachments/20100817/b6308568/attachm ent.html> ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ CKcycle mailing list CKcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca http://lists.ncf.ca/mailman/listinfo/ckcycle End of CKcycle Digest, Vol 14, Issue 52 *************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:03:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann McKenzie <sydkneeca(a)yahoo.ca&gt; Subject: Re: [CKcycle] CKcycle Digest, Vol 14, Issue 52 To: Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group <ckcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca&gt; Message-ID: <230953.59369.qm(a)web53004.mail.re2.yahoo.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Evolution is sometimes a difficult task. Looking forward to face to face discussion on Wednesday night.?? Go suggestion Tony. Lets remember that the plan is to provide a ride for all types of riders.? If we don't we could lose riders at both ends of the spectuim, Recreationa riders or otherwise. Tony suggested Groups Leaders last Wednesday night.? This person could be responsible for a group and any new members within it.? With a little organizing a different person could take on this role each week.? That would give new riders a contact person and someone to organize a little if needed. Rand had a good point to.....a little more communication and organization.? ok...back to work Ann Ann ? ________________________________ From: Tony Reed <tonyreedrealtor(a)gmail.com&gt; To: ckcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 12:24:31 PM Subject: Re: [CKcycle] CKcycle Digest, Vol 14, Issue 52 I believe that the rider that was almost lost last week was due to a pot hole in the road.? I don't think it was because of a sprint. Lots of discussion and opinions.? Why don't you meet 15 minutes earlier than the ride and air your opinions and come to a mutual understanding. If you want to ride fast or ride slow, the decision is totally yours to make.? Pick the pace your comfortable with and own it. Everyone has their own choice of what they would like to do. Tony Reed Coldwell Banker Excel Realty Services Ltd 519-355-8032 -----Original Message----- From: ckcycle-bounces(a)lists.ncf.ca [mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca] On Behalf Of ckcycle-request(a)lists.ncf.ca Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:00 PM To: ckcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca Subject: CKcycle Digest, Vol 14, Issue 52 Send CKcycle mailing list submissions to ??? ckcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://lists.ncf.ca/mailman/listinfo/ckcycle or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? ckcycle-request(a)lists.ncf.ca You can reach the person managing the list at ??? ckcycle-owner(a)lists.ncf.ca When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CKcycle digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Intermediate Cycling Night (Rand MacIntosh) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:59:35 -0400 From: "Rand MacIntosh" <rmacintosh(a)campbell.toyota.ca&gt; Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night To: "'Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group'" <ckcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca&gt; Message-ID: <02BFE2533BEC424F9B355326A0067378@user18a9a2a318> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" we had 2 new riders last week and almost lost one due to the sprints. we did do two sprints on the way to prairie siding bridge. with the comments made we adjusted the pace to accommodate our new riders. this doesn't mean we are not going to do sprints, just discuss the purpose and goals. maybe having better communication to start the ride next time we won't leave anyone with the feeling of not fitting in. knowing who will be riding at the slower pace we can try to explain our goals and establish the basics so they will feel comfortable. it wasn't long ago that i found 21 a comfortable pace. so i remember how it felt to hold the group back. as a result i didn't ride as often last year. i thank everyone for helping me to improve this year. i think the group dynamics is what makes the rides so enjoyable. it showed in the grand bend ride. we worked together to help each other making the ride more enjoyable for all. with the nights getting shorter, it is harder for us to travel the same route. getting back safely is a priority for us. as the rides get shorter there will be less chance for those dropped to join in with the later group. we will have challenges with 2 or 3 levels of riders. trying to find a happy median for the benefit of the group will require us to work together. hope i didn't ramble too much, just some thoughts in between customers.. :) have a great day all! Rand MacIntosh 519-352-4740 1-866-739-2237 cell 519-355-5074 rmacintosh(a)campbell.toyota.ca Mon, Wed, Fri 9-5, Tues, Thurs till 7, please call for Saturday schedule -----Original Message----- From: ckcycle-bounces(a)lists.ncf.ca [mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca] On Behalf Of Geoff Clement Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:47 AM To: Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night ? Here's my two cents worth. I too feel for the recreational riders that may feel they are not a part of the "group" as they either do not wish to ride flat out or they currently lack the ability to ride longer and faster. Some do not have road bikes and nor can they afford a $3K bike, BUT encouragement is what they need. Perhaps we, the intermediate riders, should offer to take turns to ride with an encourage the newer riders. Yes, on that night, we won't get a 'work out' as usual. but I'm sure the newer and slower riders would appreciate the gesture. Having said that, I don't seem to read comments by the recreational group. THEIR input is what we need to see. Are they even on the mailing list ? More comments? Geoff. ----- Original Message ----- From: James? <mailto:jalively@cogeco.ca> Lively To: 'Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling? <mailto:ckcycle@lists.ncf.ca> Group' Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night My thoughts too, Dan! And don't forget many recreational riders don't necessarily want to go faster or further, although over time these will naturally occur. They just want to go for a leisurely group ride. >From a personal point of view, when school restarts in Sept, Weds nights become a "three places at once" issue for me. Having another ride night, regardless of speed (Intermediate or recreational) would be great. James From: ckcycle-bounces(a)lists.ncf.ca [mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca] On Behalf Of BikerDude Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:57 AM To: Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night nope... this is currently bwing done on Wednesday nights... But in my eyea we are letting the other recreational riders behind as we are not waiting for them. :-( So now people need to choose between both on the Wednesday ride... We must not forget our roots as to where most were at just 1 year and a half ago.. pretty much at the same level as our newer riders. I personally feel this Intermediate Cycling Night should be held on another open night to avoid splitting the groups... As it can happen that we will leave a slower rider behind on his own due there is no one to ride with them defeating the Wednesday Ride purpose. Also the Intermediate Group can do greater distances then the recreational riders due to speed difference. So once we pass the mark where the other group changes directions there is no possibilities falling back. I like seeing wanting to get better and faster but not at the expense of loosing riders. Waiting SUX but you know what.. we are all out enjoying the same sport. Matt at the start of the season we had touched this topic on adding another night... was the general consensus for a Thursday or Friday Add On? Would this work for most on this list... just wondering. Dan On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:38 AM, <randy.perdu(a)bell.ca&gt; wrote: I,m just catching up on my mail from the week I was off.Is there now a ride on Tuesday nite from Rona????? ? _____? From: ckcycle-bounces(a)lists.ncf.ca [mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca] On Behalf Of Patty Crofts Sent: August 12, 2010 12:42 PM To: C-K Cycle group Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night I really like this idea Hazel....thanks for making this suggestion. ? _____? From: HMoore(a)uniongas.com To: ckcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 08:33:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night We could split the Wed group into 2 - that way if someone wanted to try the faster ride and was dropped, they could fall back to the other group. From: ckcycle-bounces(a)lists.ncf.ca [mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca] On Behalf Of Jennifer Johnston Sent: August 9, 2010 8:26 AM To: Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group Cc: Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night Perhaps a Monday or Thursday evening would be better. It wouldn't disrupt the tuesday group. Sent from my iPhone On 2010-08-09, at 7:53 AM, Ann McKenzie <sydkneeca(a)yahoo.ca&gt; wrote: Hi All: Several of us have been discussing the need for an intermediate riding group.? A time where a slightly more? experienced rider can practise group riding skills and challenge their abilities just a little further. I'd like to get the ball rolling on this if people are interested.? So... What do you think of this... Tuesday Night 6:30 Meeting Place Rona ( this way we can head out of town without worrying about traffic so much) Average Speed +-30K to start Skill to be worked on:? Keeping our lines tight, cycling through the group, increasing speed and endurance I'd like to invite a couple of the Regular Tuesday night people out as well in hopes that we can learn form your experience.? I heard some great things about how a couple of the guys from the Tuesday night group helped bring the cycling group together on Sunday as a working team. (Thanks).? Minus the accident I heard that the ride was very unified and enjoyable.? We would be grateful for any mentor ship that you would be will to provide.? I'm sorry but I don't know who it was that fell but I'm hoping you are doing ok.? Let us know if you need anything. Anyway....if interested....I'd like to start tomorrow night :) Let me know if you are in.? And please share any other ideas you may have. Ann _______________________________________________ CKcycle mailing list CKcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca http://lists.ncf.ca/mailman/listinfo/ckcycle _______________________________________________ CKcycle mailing list CKcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca http://lists.ncf.ca/mailman/listinfo/ckcycle _______________________________________________ CKcycle mailing list CKcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca http://lists.ncf.ca/mailman/listinfo/ckcycle ? _____? _______________________________________________ CKcycle mailing list CKcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca http://lists.ncf.ca/mailman/listinfo/ckcycle __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5373 (20100817) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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