8:07 p.m.
. I agree with Linda that we need to be careful about our verbage here.
Language can seem cruel in it's written form and easily misinterpreted.. We
have different types of riders here and all deserve their own respect and their
own forum to ride in. Sounds like we are having a few growing pains. Must be
why some of the cycling groups in other cities have such cute names for their
different types of rides. Saying that, it seems quite natural for us, as we
grow, to offer different styles of rides for different types of riders. We've
seen the need for this for quite some time. It doesn't mean that one group is
better than the other it just means that they have different goals.
Anyway...i'm rambling...I look forward to ironing out the details tomorrow
night.
Ann
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From: Linda Shoebottom <l_shoebottom(a)hotmail.com>
To: ckcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 5:00:12 PM
Subject: Re: [CKcycle] CKcycle Digest, Vol 14, Issue 53
Hi all;
I usually just read all the emails and keep up to date on what is going on but
thought I could add some insight into the topic. I know from my point of view I
was definately not at the level I am now when I first started. All the
encouragement and kind words as well as the advice on how to improve my skills
from the more skilled riders was extremely appreciated. I know that sometimes
others who ride with us on Wednesdays feel like they are not part of the group
when they are referred to as the slow group and sometimes they feel they are
looked down on. I personally just enjoy the ride and do what I can hoping that
each week I will improve and eventually be able to keep up with the medium group
( ha ha). Any way I just know that riding in the Grand Bend ride was a wonderful
experience for me and I have never felt like I wasn't part of the group. I would
hate to see us lose riders as we seem to grow each week but I understand the
perspective of those who are wanting to go all out. I'm sure we can come to a
compromise and make the group bigger and better all the time. I just want to say
thanks to all those who have been there to help me get to where I am today. I
never once thought I would be able to complete Grand Bend and I did it because
of all of you!
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I believe that the rider that was almost lost last week was due to a pot
hole in the road. I don't think it was because of a sprint.
Lots of discussion and opinions. Why don't you meet 15 minutes earlier than
the ride and air your opinions and come to a mutual understanding.
If you want to ride fast or ride slow, the decision is totally yours to
make. Pick the pace your comfortable with and own it. Everyone has their
own choice of what they would like to do.
Tony Reed
Coldwell Banker Excel Realty Services Ltd
519-355-8032
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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:59:35 -0400
From: "Rand MacIntosh" <rmacintosh(a)campbell.toyota.ca>
Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night
To: "'Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group'"
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we had 2 new riders last week and almost lost one due to the sprints. we did
do two sprints on the way to prairie siding bridge. with the comments made
we adjusted the pace to accommodate our new riders. this doesn't mean we are
not going to do sprints, just discuss the purpose and goals.
maybe having better communication to start the ride next time we won't leave
anyone with the feeling of not fitting in. knowing who will be riding at the
slower pace we can try to explain our goals and establish the basics so they
will feel comfortable.
it wasn't long ago that i found 21 a comfortable pace. so i remember how it
felt to hold the group back. as a result i didn't ride as often last year. i
thank everyone for helping me to improve this year. i think the group
dynamics is what makes the rides so enjoyable. it showed in the grand bend
ride. we worked together to help each other making the ride more enjoyable
for all.
with the nights getting shorter, it is harder for us to travel the same
route. getting back safely is a priority for us. as the rides get shorter
there will be less chance for those dropped to join in with the later group.
we will have challenges with 2 or 3 levels of riders. trying to find a happy
median for the benefit of the group will require us to work together.
hope i didn't ramble too much, just some thoughts in between customers.. :)
have a great day all!
Rand MacIntosh
519-352-4740
1-866-739-2237
cell 519-355-5074
rmacintosh(a)campbell.toyota.ca
Mon, Wed, Fri 9-5, Tues, Thurs till 7,
please call for Saturday schedule
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From: ckcycle-bounces(a)lists.ncf.ca [mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca] On
Behalf Of Geoff Clement
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:47 AM
To: Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group
Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night
Here's my two cents worth. I too feel for the recreational riders that may
feel they are not a part of the "group" as they either do not wish to ride
flat out or they currently lack the ability to ride longer and faster. Some
do not have road bikes and nor can they afford a $3K bike, BUT encouragement
is what they need. Perhaps we, the intermediate riders, should offer to take
turns to ride with an encourage the newer riders. Yes, on that night, we
won't get a 'work out' as usual. but I'm sure the newer and slower
riders
would appreciate the gesture. Having said that, I don't seem to read
comments by the recreational group. THEIR input is what we need to see. Are
they even on the mailing list ?
More comments?
Geoff.
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From: James <mailto:jalively@cogeco.ca> Lively
To: 'Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling <mailto:ckcycle@lists.ncf.ca> Group'
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night
My thoughts too, Dan! And don't forget many recreational riders don't
necessarily want to go faster or further, although over time these will
naturally occur. They just want to go for a leisurely group ride.
>From a personal point of view, when school restarts in Sept, Weds nights
become a "three places at once" issue for me. Having another ride night,
regardless of speed (Intermediate or recreational) would be great.
James
From: ckcycle-bounces(a)lists.ncf.ca [mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca] On
Behalf Of BikerDude
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:57 AM
To: Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group
Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night
nope... this is currently bwing done on Wednesday nights...
But in my eyea we are letting the other recreational riders behind as we are
not waiting for them. :-(
So now people need to choose between both on the Wednesday ride... We must
not forget our roots as to where most were at just 1 year and a half ago..
pretty much at the same level as our newer riders.
I personally feel this Intermediate Cycling Night should be held on another
open night to avoid splitting the groups... As it can happen that we will
leave a slower rider behind on his own due there is no one to ride with them
defeating the Wednesday Ride purpose.
Also the Intermediate Group can do greater distances then the recreational
riders due to speed difference. So once we pass the mark where the other
group changes directions there is no possibilities falling back.
I like seeing wanting to get better and faster but not at the expense of
loosing riders. Waiting SUX but you know what.. we are all out enjoying the
same sport.
Matt at the start of the season we had touched this topic on adding another
night... was the general consensus for a Thursday or Friday Add On?
Would this work for most on this list... just wondering.
Dan
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:38 AM, <randy.perdu(a)bell.ca> wrote:
I,m just catching up on my mail from the week I was off.Is there now a ride
on Tuesday nite from Rona?????
_____
From: ckcycle-bounces(a)lists.ncf.ca [mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca] On
Behalf Of Patty Crofts
Sent: August 12, 2010 12:42 PM
To: C-K Cycle group
Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night
I really like this idea Hazel....thanks for making this suggestion.
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From: HMoore(a)uniongas.com
To: ckcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 08:33:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night
We could split the Wed group into 2 - that way if someone wanted to try the
faster ride and was dropped, they could fall back to the other group.
From: ckcycle-bounces(a)lists.ncf.ca [mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca] On
Behalf Of Jennifer Johnston
Sent: August 9, 2010 8:26 AM
To: Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group
Cc: Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group
Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night
Perhaps a Monday or Thursday evening would be better. It wouldn't disrupt
the tuesday group.
Sent from my iPhone
On 2010-08-09, at 7:53 AM, Ann McKenzie <sydkneeca(a)yahoo.ca> wrote:
Hi All:
Several of us have been discussing the need for an intermediate riding
group. A time where a slightly more experienced rider can practise group
riding skills and challenge their abilities just a little further.
I'd like to get the ball rolling on this if people are interested. So...
What do you think of this...
Tuesday Night 6:30
Meeting Place Rona ( this way we can head out of town without worrying about
traffic so much)
Average Speed +-30K to start
Skill to be worked on: Keeping our lines tight, cycling through the group,
increasing speed and endurance
I'd like to invite a couple of the Regular Tuesday night people out as well
in hopes that we can learn form your experience. I heard some great things
about how a couple of the guys from the Tuesday night group helped bring the
cycling group together on Sunday as a working team. (Thanks). Minus the
accident I heard that the ride was very unified and enjoyable. We would be
grateful for any mentor ship that you would be will to provide.
I'm sorry but I don't know who it was that fell but I'm hoping you are doing
ok. Let us know if you need anything.
Anyway....if interested....I'd like to start tomorrow night :)
Let me know if you are in. And please share any other ideas you may have.
Ann
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From: Ann McKenzie <sydkneeca(a)yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: [CKcycle] CKcycle Digest, Vol 14, Issue 52
To: Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group <ckcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca>
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Evolution is sometimes a difficult task.
Looking forward to face to face discussion on Wednesday night.?? Go suggestion
Tony.
Lets remember that the plan is to provide a ride for all types of riders.? If
we
don't we could lose riders at both ends of the spectuim, Recreationa riders or
otherwise.
Tony suggested Groups Leaders last Wednesday night.? This person could be
responsible for a group and any new members within it.? With a little
organizing
a different person could take on this role each week.? That would give new
riders a contact person and someone to organize a little if needed.
Rand had a good point to.....a little more communication and organization.?
ok...back to work
Ann
Ann
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From: Tony Reed <tonyreedrealtor(a)gmail.com>
To: ckcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca
Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 12:24:31 PM
Subject: Re: [CKcycle] CKcycle Digest, Vol 14, Issue 52
I believe that the rider that was almost lost last week was due to a pot
hole in the road.? I don't think it was because of a sprint.
Lots of discussion and opinions.? Why don't you meet 15 minutes earlier than
the ride and air your opinions and come to a mutual understanding.
If you want to ride fast or ride slow, the decision is totally yours to
make.? Pick the pace your comfortable with and own it. Everyone has their
own choice of what they would like to do.
Tony Reed
Coldwell Banker Excel Realty Services Ltd
519-355-8032
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From: "Rand MacIntosh" <rmacintosh(a)campbell.toyota.ca>
Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night
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we had 2 new riders last week and almost lost one due to the sprints. we did
do two sprints on the way to prairie siding bridge. with the comments made
we adjusted the pace to accommodate our new riders. this doesn't mean we are
not going to do sprints, just discuss the purpose and goals.
maybe having better communication to start the ride next time we won't leave
anyone with the feeling of not fitting in. knowing who will be riding at the
slower pace we can try to explain our goals and establish the basics so they
will feel comfortable.
it wasn't long ago that i found 21 a comfortable pace. so i remember how it
felt to hold the group back. as a result i didn't ride as often last year. i
thank everyone for helping me to improve this year. i think the group
dynamics is what makes the rides so enjoyable. it showed in the grand bend
ride. we worked together to help each other making the ride more enjoyable
for all.
with the nights getting shorter, it is harder for us to travel the same
route. getting back safely is a priority for us. as the rides get shorter
there will be less chance for those dropped to join in with the later group.
we will have challenges with 2 or 3 levels of riders. trying to find a happy
median for the benefit of the group will require us to work together.
hope i didn't ramble too much, just some thoughts in between customers.. :)
have a great day all!
Rand MacIntosh
519-352-4740
1-866-739-2237
cell 519-355-5074
rmacintosh(a)campbell.toyota.ca
Mon, Wed, Fri 9-5, Tues, Thurs till 7,
please call for Saturday schedule
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From: ckcycle-bounces(a)lists.ncf.ca [mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca] On
Behalf Of Geoff Clement
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:47 AM
To: Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group
Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night
? Here's my two cents worth. I too feel for the recreational riders that may
feel they are not a part of the "group" as they either do not wish to ride
flat out or they currently lack the ability to ride longer and faster. Some
do not have road bikes and nor can they afford a $3K bike, BUT encouragement
is what they need. Perhaps we, the intermediate riders, should offer to take
turns to ride with an encourage the newer riders. Yes, on that night, we
won't get a 'work out' as usual. but I'm sure the newer and slower
riders
would appreciate the gesture. Having said that, I don't seem to read
comments by the recreational group. THEIR input is what we need to see. Are
they even on the mailing list ?
More comments?
Geoff.
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From: James? <mailto:jalively@cogeco.ca> Lively
To: 'Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling? <mailto:ckcycle@lists.ncf.ca> Group'
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night
My thoughts too, Dan! And don't forget many recreational riders don't
necessarily want to go faster or further, although over time these will
naturally occur. They just want to go for a leisurely group ride.
>From a personal point of view, when school restarts in Sept, Weds nights
become a "three places at once" issue for me. Having another ride night,
regardless of speed (Intermediate or recreational) would be great.
James
From: ckcycle-bounces(a)lists.ncf.ca [mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca] On
Behalf Of BikerDude
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:57 AM
To: Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group
Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night
nope... this is currently bwing done on Wednesday nights...
But in my eyea we are letting the other recreational riders behind as we are
not waiting for them. :-(
So now people need to choose between both on the Wednesday ride... We must
not forget our roots as to where most were at just 1 year and a half ago..
pretty much at the same level as our newer riders.
I personally feel this Intermediate Cycling Night should be held on another
open night to avoid splitting the groups... As it can happen that we will
leave a slower rider behind on his own due there is no one to ride with them
defeating the Wednesday Ride purpose.
Also the Intermediate Group can do greater distances then the recreational
riders due to speed difference. So once we pass the mark where the other
group changes directions there is no possibilities falling back.
I like seeing wanting to get better and faster but not at the expense of
loosing riders. Waiting SUX but you know what.. we are all out enjoying the
same sport.
Matt at the start of the season we had touched this topic on adding another
night... was the general consensus for a Thursday or Friday Add On?
Would this work for most on this list... just wondering.
Dan
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:38 AM, <randy.perdu(a)bell.ca> wrote:
I,m just catching up on my mail from the week I was off.Is there now a ride
on Tuesday nite from Rona?????
? _____?
From: ckcycle-bounces(a)lists.ncf.ca [mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca] On
Behalf Of Patty Crofts
Sent: August 12, 2010 12:42 PM
To: C-K Cycle group
Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night
I really like this idea Hazel....thanks for making this suggestion.
? _____?
From: HMoore(a)uniongas.com
To: ckcycle(a)lists.ncf.ca
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 08:33:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night
We could split the Wed group into 2 - that way if someone wanted to try the
faster ride and was dropped, they could fall back to the other group.
From: ckcycle-bounces(a)lists.ncf.ca [mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca] On
Behalf Of Jennifer Johnston
Sent: August 9, 2010 8:26 AM
To: Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group
Cc: Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group
Subject: Re: [CKcycle] Intermediate Cycling Night
Perhaps a Monday or Thursday evening would be better. It wouldn't disrupt
the tuesday group.
Sent from my iPhone
On 2010-08-09, at 7:53 AM, Ann McKenzie <sydkneeca(a)yahoo.ca> wrote:
Hi All:
Several of us have been discussing the need for an intermediate riding
group.? A time where a slightly more? experienced rider can practise group
riding skills and challenge their abilities just a little further.
I'd like to get the ball rolling on this if people are interested.? So...
What do you think of this...
Tuesday Night 6:30
Meeting Place Rona ( this way we can head out of town without worrying about
traffic so much)
Average Speed +-30K to start
Skill to be worked on:? Keeping our lines tight, cycling through the group,
increasing speed and endurance
I'd like to invite a couple of the Regular Tuesday night people out as well
in hopes that we can learn form your experience.? I heard some great things
about how a couple of the guys from the Tuesday night group helped bring the
cycling group together on Sunday as a working team. (Thanks).? Minus the
accident I heard that the ride was very unified and enjoyable.? We would be
grateful for any mentor ship that you would be will to provide.?
I'm sorry but I don't know who it was that fell but I'm hoping you are doing
ok.? Let us know if you need anything.
Anyway....if interested....I'd like to start tomorrow night :)
Let me know if you are in.? And please share any other ideas you may have.
Ann
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