John,
Sorry to say but I don't agree with all your statements...
As stated in the meeting where Matt, James and I where... a Bike Rack is
the least of the riders concerns. It's all about education as with no
education they won't come out.
The police department here in Chatham is just a joke in their dealing
with the rules of the road with cyclists and cars...
The LAWS are there already in place to enforce SAFE Cycling but they
just opt to ignore them and only enforce them at their discretion.
Also note that our Sunday/Wednesday rides do not consist of just
starting and leaving from one location... we do stop at various
locations and sometimes leave our bikes leaning against a wall. This
does not stop us cause there is no bike racks.
So again, Bike Racks & Bike Lanes/Paths will not get more people out if
they feel unsafe to even be on the road/sidewalk(Kids Only) so they can
get to them. Don't forget there are MANY EMPTY Bike Racks here in the
Chatham area. So putting more in won't help on getting more cyclists out.
Also this discussion is about the poster in it self and where they
should be placed. This is where the Cyclist of this group come into play
as you would be surprised how many also cycle as a mode of
transportation but also drive a vehicle. So we know both side of the
coin on this topic.
I know John you have this great envision of what Chatham-Kent should
turn into but it won't happen over night. That is why Education is your
most important factor in this planing... Mostly when your local police
force is just a farce on enforcement of the Moving Violations.
When I got pulled over on Grand Ave early summer for "Going to fast"
then changed to "Taking to much room on the road". I was hopping he
would try and fine me... this way it would of been a foot in the door to
show them local officers that the law is the law and can't just apply it
at their discretion.
Yes it can take as much time to fine a cyclist just as a automotive
driver... but still the rules are the same for both.
Same Roads, Same Rules, Same Rights
John Sigurjonsson wrote:
*Some super ideas in this discussion of driver/rider education and its
great to see CK Cycle Community take an interest in cycling advocacy.
There is unspent budget from a grant for the educational program in
2010 so a lot of ideas are affordable this year but may not be next year.*
* *
*When considering what should be done to promote cycling in
Chatham-Kent be aware that the primary community benefit from Active
Transportation comes from replacing motorized trips with
people-powered trips. So the ACSC needs to create conditions that
attract cyclists ranging from the ten year old commuting to school
(instead of being Chauffeured by mom) to granny with her shopping
tricycle. These cyclists are very different from the average member of
ckcycle. For example:*
* Their cycle routes are urban, not the rural roaming
ckcycle does on Tuesday and Wednesday evenings and Sunday mornings.. *
* The purpose of their trip is utilitarian -- get from A to
B to work, shop, play, etc.. They enjoy the ride but the primary
purpose of the ride isn't recreational. So they want direct routes to
their destination without having to make detours to find low-traffic
routes.*
* They are not comfortable in traffic. They need bike lanes
or paths separated from motor vehicles. We're trying to get those built.*
* They need end-of-trip facilities (e.g. secure bike
racks). It might be nice if your Sunday breakfast stop had decent
secure racks, but otherwise it's probably not an issue for your
recreational rides that basically begin and end at home. For
utilitarian riders who are going to park the bike where they work,
shop, play tennis, attend classes etc secure parking is an issue.*
* *
*If these folks in **Chatham** made the same percentage of their trips
by bike as is done in some European cities, we would have about 10,000
bikes on **Chatham** streets at rush hours. Wouldn't that be something
to see! *
* *
**Regards**
**John Sigurjonsson***
**Member Services**
*/*/Cycle Chatham-Kent/*/*/
/***519-352-0883**
-----Original Message-----
*From:* ckcycle-bounces(a)lists.ncf.ca
[mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca] *On Behalf Of *Josette deBrouwer
*Sent:* Monday, July 26, 2010 11:27 PM
*To:* Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group
*Subject:* Re: [CKcycle] pull up display
They should be visible at all municipal info centres and other
municipal properties, especially arenas. Also, how about the drivers
licence bureau (whatever that is called) and car dealerships? Like
Geoff, I had three incidents on one ride along hwy 3 west of Blenheim
on Sunday. Not fun.
On 10-07-26 4:12 PM, "James Lively" <jalively(a)cogeco.ca> wrote:
As we were riding along on Sunday, I was asked about the bike signs on
the roads. Here's the first information going out to the public. Let
me know what you think as this is a first go, and I'll take your
comments back to the Active Communities Committee.
Thanks
James.
Hello everyone. This pull up display (x2) will be placed in the
Wallaceburg and Chatham Libraries for the month of August. (a bit too
large for the other Libraries), then they can be relocated elsewhere
as needed. There will also be a similar, accompanying poster on the
wall -- with the informational tear off sheets. Please advise if
anything needs to be changed. We wanted to keep it light(meaning not
too many words) -- focused on the Share the Road and the two different
road signs. It is intended for an adult audience.
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