12:14 p.m.
We=92ve had several meetings with these Police Services personnel on =
both=20
enforcement and educational issues. If CKCycling Community were to put =
together a list of incidents and suggested improvements we could =
together take=20
it to Police Services. I=92m sure we=92d get a good hearing.=20
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What do=20
you think of that idea?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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We don=92t need to debate whether education or racks are more =
important. Both=20
can be done at the same time along with bike lanes and enforcement =
issues.=20
Work is underway on all of these elements right now in Chatham-Kent.=20
Communities throughout North America and Europe are working at all of =
these=20
elements simultaneously in efforts to shift travel from cars to=20
bikes.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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I certainly agree with you that most people won=92t cycle if they =
don=92t feel=20
safe doing it. Many decades of experience by professionals =
working on=20
this have led to the belief that we need what is called =93the four =
Es=94:=20
Engineering (infrastructure), Education, Encouragement, and=20
Enforcement. =20
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<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"
class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Regards</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"
class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">John=20
Sigurjonsson</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><B><FONT
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-WEIGHT:
bold"><BR><STRONG><B><FONT=20
face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Member=20
=
Services</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><BR></SPAN></FONT></B><EM><B><I><FONT
=
face=3DBroadway><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Broadway; FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Cycle=20
Chatham-Kent</SPAN></FONT></I></B></EM><B><I><FONT
=
face=3DBroadway><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: Broadway; FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold"><BR></SPAN></FONT></I></B><STRONG><B><FONT=20
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">519-352-0883</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in" class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dblack
=
size=3D2=20
face=3DTahoma><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">From:</SPAN></B>=20
ckcycle-bounces(a)lists.ncf.ca [mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca] =
<B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Daniel =
Brousseau<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, July
28, 2010 =
3:32=20
PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">To:</SPAN></B> Chatham-Kent =
Commmunity Cycling Group<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [CKcycle]
pull up=20
display</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in" class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dblack
=
size=3D3=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:
12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in" class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dblack
=
size=3D3=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">John,<BR><BR>Sorry to say=20
but I don't agree with all your statements...<BR><BR>As stated in the =
meeting=20
where Matt, James and I where... a Bike Rack is the least of the =
riders=20
concerns. It's all about education as with no education they won't =
come=20
out.<BR>The police department here in Chatham is just a joke in their =
dealing=20
with the rules of the road with cyclists and cars...<BR><BR>The LAWS =
are there=20
already in place to enforce SAFE Cycling but they just opt to ignore =
them and=20
only enforce them at their discretion.<BR><BR>Also note that our=20
Sunday/Wednesday rides do not consist of just starting and leaving =
from one=20
location... we do stop at various locations and sometimes leave our =
bikes=20
leaning against a wall. This does not stop us cause there is no bike=20
racks.<BR><BR>So again, Bike Racks & Bike Lanes/Paths will not get
=
more=20
people out if they feel unsafe to even be on the road/sidewalk(Kids =
Only) so=20
they can get to them. Don't forget there are MANY EMPTY Bike Racks =
here in the=20
Chatham area. So putting more in won't help on getting more cyclists =
out.=20
<BR><BR>Also this discussion is about the poster in it self and where =
they=20
should be placed. This is where the Cyclist of this group come into =
play as=20
you would be surprised how many also cycle as a mode of transportation =
but=20
also drive a vehicle. So we know both side of the coin on this=20
topic.<BR> <BR>I know John you have this great envision of what=20
Chatham-Kent should turn into but it won't happen over night. That is =
why=20
Education is your most important factor in this planing... Mostly when =
your=20
local police force is just a farce on enforcement of the Moving=20
Violations.<BR><BR>When I got pulled over on Grand Ave early summer =
for "Going=20
to fast" then changed to "Taking to much room on the road". I was =
hopping he=20
would try and fine me... this way it would of been a foot in the door =
to show=20
them local officers that the law is the law and can't just apply it at =
their=20
discretion.<BR><BR>Yes it can take as much time to fine a cyclist just =
as a=20
automotive driver... but still the rules are the same for =
both.<BR><BR>Same=20
Roads, Same Rules, Same Rights<BR><BR><BR>John Sigurjonsson wrote:=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in" class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT =
color=3Dblack size=3D3=20
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Some =
super=20
ideas in this discussion of driver/rider education and its great to =
see CK=20
Cycle Community take an interest in cycling advocacy. There is unspent =
budget=20
from a grant for the educational program in 2010 so a lot of ideas are =
affordable this year but may not be next=20
year.</SPAN></FONT></B><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in" class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT =
color=3Dblack size=3D3=20
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold"> </SPAN></FONT></B><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in" class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT =
color=3Dblack size=3D3=20
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">When=20
considering what should be done to promote cycling in Chatham-Kent be =
aware=20
that the primary community benefit from Active Transportation comes =
from=20
replacing motorized trips with people-powered trips. So the ACSC needs =
to=20
create conditions that attract cyclists ranging from the ten year old=20
commuting to school (instead of being Chauffeured by mom) to granny =
with her=20
shopping tricycle. These cyclists are very different from the average =
member=20
of ckcycle. For
example:</SPAN></FONT></B><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in" class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT =
color=3Dblack size=3D3=20
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">
=
Their cycle routes are urban, not the rural roaming ckcycle does on =
Tuesday=20
and Wednesday evenings and Sunday mornings.. =
</SPAN></FONT></B><o:p></o:p></P>
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color=3Dblack size=3D3=20
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">
=
The purpose of their trip is utilitarian =96 get from A to B to work, =
shop,=20
play, etc.. They enjoy the ride but the primary purpose of the ride =
isn=92t=20
recreational. So they want direct routes to their destination without =
having=20
to make detours to find low-traffic =
routes.</SPAN></FONT></B><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in" class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT =
color=3Dblack size=3D3=20
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">
=
They are not comfortable in traffic. They need bike lanes or paths =
separated=20
from motor vehicles. We=92re trying to get those=20
built.</SPAN></FONT></B><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in" class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT =
color=3Dblack size=3D3=20
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">
=
They need end-of-trip facilities (e.g. secure bike racks). It might be =
nice if=20
your Sunday breakfast stop had decent secure racks, but otherwise =
it=92s=20
probably not an issue for your recreational rides that basically begin =
and end=20
at home. For utilitarian riders who are going to park the bike where =
they=20
work, shop, play tennis, attend classes etc secure parking is an=20
issue.</SPAN></FONT></B><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in" class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT =
color=3Dblack size=3D3=20
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold"> </SPAN></FONT></B><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in" class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT =
color=3Dblack size=3D3=20
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">If =
these folks=20
in Chatham made the same percentage of their trips by bike as is done =
in some=20
European cities, we would have about 10,000 bikes on Chatham streets =
at rush=20
hours. Wouldn=92t that be something to see! =
</SPAN></FONT></B><o:p></o:p></P>
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color=3Dblack size=3D3=20
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
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<DIV>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"
class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Regards</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"
class=3DMsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT =
color=3Dblack=20
size=3D3 face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">John=20
Sigurjonsson</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><B><FONT
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-WEIGHT:
bold"><BR><STRONG><B><FONT=20
face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Member=20
=
Services</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><BR></SPAN></FONT></B><EM><B><I><FONT
=
face=3DBroadway><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Broadway; FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Cycle=20
Chatham-Kent</SPAN></FONT></I></B></EM><B><I><FONT
=
face=3DBroadway><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: Broadway; FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold"><BR></SPAN></FONT></I></B><STRONG><B><FONT=20
face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">519-352-0883</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 2in" class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dblack
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size=3D2=20
face=3DTahoma><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">From:</SPAN></B> =
<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca">ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca=
</A>=20
[<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists.ncf.ca">mailto:ckcycle-bounces@lists=
.ncf.ca</A>]=20
<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of
</SPAN></B>Josette=20
deBrouwer<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> =
Monday, July=20
26, 2010 11:27 PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">To:</SPAN></B>=20
Chatham-Kent Commmunity Cycling Group<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [CKcycle]
pull up=20
display</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 2in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; =
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class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dblack size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">They should be visible =
at all=20
municipal info centres and other municipal properties, especially =
arenas.=20
Also, how about the drivers licence bureau (whatever that is called) =
and car=20
dealerships? Like Geoff, I had three incidents on one ride along hwy 3 =
west of=20
Blenheim on Sunday. Not fun.<BR><BR><BR>On 10-07-26 4:12 PM,
"James =
Lively"=20
<<A
href=3D"jalively@cogeco.ca">jalively@cogeco.ca</A>>=20
wrote:</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 2in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; =
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style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">As we =
were=20
riding along on Sunday, I was asked about the bike signs on the roads. =
Here=92s=20
the first information going out to the public. Let me know what you =
think as=20
this is a first go, and I=92ll take your comments back to the Active =
Communities=20
Committee.<BR>Thanks<BR> <BR>James.<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
=
size=3D2=20
face=3DVerdana><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: =
11pt"><BR>Hello=20
everyone. This pull up display (x2) will be placed in the =
Wallaceburg=20
and Chatham Libraries for the month of August. (a bit too large =
for the=20
other Libraries), then they can be relocated elsewhere as needed. =
There=20
will also be a similar, accompanying poster on the wall =96 with the=20
informational tear off sheets. Please advise if anything needs =
to be=20
changed. We wanted to keep it light(meaning not too many words) =
=96=20
focused on the Share the Road and the two different road signs. =
It is=20
intended for an adult=20
audience.<BR> <BR> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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href=3D"CKcycle@lists.ncf.ca">CKcycle@lists.ncf.ca</A><BR><A=20
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href=3D"http://lists.ncf.ca/mailman/listinfo/ckcycle">http://lists.ncf.ca=
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